Flat Earth

It was a sudden phenomena that suddenly the flat earth topic become hot issue in Malaysia. I don't really follow what is trending in Malaysia. I don't even know what the latest viral video. But I have to admit I missed much of the fun. Maybe I'm too busy with other things in life. However, I am very political conscious even though I'm more into observer, restraining myself from commenting.

I think the flat earth became a topic because of 1 moron; a shameless religious whore wrote something about the matter. His name is Suhaimi Saad. As per my limited knowledge he is a singer (nasyid) and husband of Ina Naim (ex girlfriend) of Mawi World. Many things he did does not reflect Islam. He did not vaccine his children and does not send his children to school. Pity his child..

PS: I think Mawi took the correct decision by not marrying Ina Naim..   

Not sure what Suhaimi said. But it has caused our astronaut to respond.

Can you differentiate ulama' and religious whore?

Actually, he is not the 1st religious whore that claim earth to be flat. There are many others. Some claims are from middle eastern religious whore. Telling lies in mosque and religious gatherings. In Malaysia, Ustaz Auni, mention that he "berlapang dada" in the flat earth subject. Meaning he accept both flat and round (oblong). I personally despise Auni. For me, he is a liar. He lies in mosques. Thus he is a religious whore in my dictionary. I just can't tolerate people telling lies in the name of God. They took God's name in vain (1 of the 10 commandment.. Hah hahahah). 

Stupid and arrogance Muslim are not the only group that believe in flat earth theory. The Christian are worse. Their argument about flat earth is that Nasa tell lies. Nasa wanted the world to believe that earth is oblong. Thus there are things in common between the Muslim and the Christians. Finally the zealot in both religion can have 1 common believe. Finally there are peace on earth.

However, actually the zealot Christians have more reason to deny oblong earth. This is because it was the Muslims that champion the oblong or round earth idea in the first place. But the zealot Muslim have extra main reason to accept the flat earth theory. It is said that its the work of the Jew that lie about true earth form. For certain reason, the Jew wanted us to believe that earth is oblong or round and not flat.

Note: What I'm about to write after this is partial lie with many edits. But the main message is there.

I myself had encounter a dialog with an anonymous flat earth believer in the net. It was in Malay. Be warned, it was along dialoged. This was the 2017:

Pawi: Hang baca website link yang aku bagi tu. Kemudian sebelum hang buat keputusan or make any statement hang pi cari buku Dr Danial tu; Quran Saintifik. Actually, Modern Flat Eart Society ni group Christian. Dari Christian yang cuba tegakkan benang basah untuk buktikan kebenaran Bible. Refer attachment bawah..

Flat Earth: Ok, aku just share point depa pula, ko refer kink bawah ni....

http://www.bumiitudatar.com/2016/07/episode-04-gerhana-dan-horison.html?m=1

Flat Eath: Kita percaya matahari beredar mengelilingi bima sakti drpd matahari beredar mengelilingi bumi utk jadikan siang dan malam... Kita percaya yg jadikan siang dan malam adalah putaran bumi, bukannya peredaran matahari. Itu yg kita belajar.. Ko tengok ayat Quran bawah.

Pawi: Ayat 1st tu nak bagi tau kebesaran dan fenomena; Senario pertama; 

1. Allah jadikan matahari 

2. Allah jadikan bulan. 

Yang sentiasa beredar untuk kepentingan. Senario kedua; Menjadikan siang dan malam (putaran bumi). Hang kena faham betul2 ayat tu. 

Subject 1; Matahari bulan untuk kepentingan dan kemudahan 

Subject 2; putaran bumi untuk faedah. 

Mai aku edit sikit bagi jelas:

Hang kena faham. Subject dalam ayat² Quran ni ada 3; 
1. Siang malam (putaran bumi). 
2. Matahari yang terapung. 
3. Bulan yang terapung.

FYI dalam tafsir simbol *( dan simbul *) tak wujud. Itu hanya tambahan tukang tafsir. Simbul *; menghampiri maksud () dalam penggunaan harian.

Flat Earth: Yg putaran bumi tafsir dari mana? 

Pawi: Putaran bumi = siang dan malam.

Flat Earth: Dah try pakai torchlight?  

Pawi: Fokus pada ayat. Ayat 33 tu merujuk kepada 2 Subject. 

1. Matahari dan bulan untuk kepentingan dan kemudahan. 

2. Siang dan malam untuk faedah.

Flat Earth: Ya paham yang mana tafsir bumi berputar. Kalau tak berputar pun boleh jadi siang malam. Aku nak dapatkan fakta je ni..bukan nak mengiyakan sangat flat earth. Ko refer bawah: 

Pawi: Hahahaha... tak sangka hang bagi gambar ni kat aku. Aku bukan hafiz. So aku tak ingat. Kalau hang bagi ayat aku boleh "tafsir" untuk hang. Hang dah baca ke belum link tu?

Flat Earth: Ok la..kita sembang pasal fizik pulak. Bumi berputar 1ribu lebih km/j. Bumi berputar/berpusing memang takde kalau search dalam Al Quran tafsir.

Aku bukan hafiz. So aku tak ingat. Kalau hang bagi ayat aku boleh "tafsir" untuk hang. Dasyat jugak boh, pandai tafsir... Ayat siang dan malam boleh tafsir jadi bumi berputar.. Cakap pasal fakta.. Lampu jalan yang tinggi sama, kalau dah jauhnya 1km kita tak nampak dah lampu tu..

Pawi: Tolong faham maksud " " . Apa yang hang cuba ketengahkan ni adalah teori helios. Tau siapa helios?

Flat Earth: Ketepikan dulu sapa pencipta teori..yakinkan dgn fizik. Dah tengok video tu? Yang Indon.

Pawi: Masya Allah .... Hang nie.

Flat Earth: Yakinkan dulu dgn fizik.. Hehe, saja buat penat fikir. Yang pasal dia zoom benda dari jauh masih boleh nampak.. Kalau bumi melengkung patut taknampak dah. Kenapa?

Pawi: Pertama sekali, utube video tu sapa buat? Non Muslim kan .. Jadi hang percaya Non MUSLIM punya teori. Tapi teori bumi bulat dan matahari, berputar dan Etc hang tak percaya... Teori ni pula Muslim yang cetus...

Flat Earth: Teori....

Pawi: Yang pasal dia zoom benda dari jauh masih boleh nampak.. Kalau bumi melengkung patut taknampak dah...Pasai pa jd lagu tu. Ok, hang pernah dengar nama Elbert Einstien. Hang pernah dengan Albert Einstein? Pencetus teori E=MC².

Flat Earth: Faham, jawab solan fizik td dulu.

Pawi: Bumi ada jisim. Cahaya tu adalah sejenis makhluk (ada jisim). Dia akan curve. Dah jawab.

Flat Earth: Tapi kalau zoom masih nampk. Tak curve.

Pawi: Cahaya bila lalu sebelah jisim besar akan curve. Tolong serach dalam internet. Tengok imej aku conteng bawah:

Flat Earth: Hmmm...  Good (simbol tangan Good)

Pawi: Fenomena ni dah di terangkan. Bukan sahaja untuk masalah ni. Kalau tak silap aku, teori ni dapat dibuktikan masa memerhati gerhana matahari. Bila kedudukan bintang berubah.

Flat Earth: Kenapa kapal terbang laju 600kmj bergerak melawan arus putaran bumi tak jadi 2+++kmj?

Pawi: Sama konsep hang naik kereta api. Or bas. Or anything.  

Flat Earth: Bas, kita berada dgn momentum bas.

Pawi: Kereta api bergerak ke utara dengan kelajuan 80km/h. Hang jalan ke selatan xkm/h. Hang still sampai ke belakang train.

Flat Earth: Kalau kita lompat atas bas yg bergerak dari atas jambatan mau tergolek.. Kapal terbang sepatutnya takdak momentum apa2.. Macam kita naik treadmill, tak ke tergolek kalau masa tengah laju. 

Pawi: Susah aku nak explain dalam bentuk ayat. Hang boleh refer utube.

Flat Earth: Yang pasal train faham.. Kaki kita pijak tren dgn kelajuan tren tu...faham. Logik tak kalau helikopter bergerak keatas dan tak statik di udara..dgn kelajuan bumi yg 1+++kmj tak ke mcm tercampak ke tempat lain...

Pawi: Dari cara yang tulis, hang macam percaya teori Flat Earth. Pertama sekali Flat Earth dah terbukti salah.  

Flat Earth: Laa... jap dulu. Sembang fizik. Sejarah nanti.

Pawi: Kalau flat earth dah debunk, segala teori berkaitan Flat Earth pun debunk. Aku bukan ulamak fizik. So, penerangan aku terhad. Cara hang fikir macam orang (sorry to say) macam orang primitif.

  

Flat Earth: Adoi.. Fikir fizik kejap pasai helikopter tadi.

Pawi: Again, kalau flat earth teori dah debunk, segala argument support dah tertolak.

Flat Earth: Apa² pun, aku masih tak lari dgn matahari dan bulan berputar.. 

Pawi: Matahari dan bulan berputar memang tak salah. Kutub selatan tu bukan hujung dunia. Tak pernah orang jumpa hujung dunia. Bumi ni bulat.

Flat Earth: Sejarah...

Pawi: Ya Allah. Itu fakta. Ekspedisi kutub utara selatan dan lama tamat. Kalau sejarah tak dijadikan fakta atau dokumen, maka tak ada rukun atau peraturan hidup. Malah Quran itu merupakan catatan sejarah. menidakkan sejarah seperti menidakkan kaedah ajaran Quran.

Flat Earth: Bukan pertikai sejarah dalam Quran. Jangan lari konteks. 

Pawi: Aku tak lari konteks. Berkaitan dengan helikopter hang tu, aku dah explain secara kasar.. Bila hang lompat dalam bas atau lepaskan objek dalam bas, object tu masih jatuh di tempat sama. Explanation detail aku tak reti nak bagi. Hang tolong cari sendiri. Sama juga kalau hang naik kapal terbang. Cuba jatuhkan object. Objek tak terpelanting ke belangkang.

Flat Earth: Laju bumi berputar. Jatuhkan luar kapal terbang.

Pawi: Dengan kelajuan plan, object terbit akan terus terpelanting ke belakang kapal terbang. Tapi object tak terpelanting ke belakang. Masih jatuh atas lantai kapal terbang. Bila hang naik kapal terbang, hang test.

Flat Earth: Faham bab tu.. ok mcm ni..andai kan manusia boleh lompat setinggi 20meter... mulany dia kat atas bumbung train...dia lompat, dia akan jatuh kat tempat sama ke?

Pawi: Ya. Aku dah explain. Ini dinamakan graviti... Benda asas lah... 

Flat Earth: 20meter tinggi, tren 80kmj. Oooo....

Pawi: Hang tak rasa bangga ka bila Muslim yang meneroka bahawa Bumi ni bulat? Siap ukuran dan diameter lagi?

 

Flat Earth: Ok. ok...

Than our conversation ends.. Looking at the dialog, I think I could respond better. I have to admit that I did not answer all his question. This is simply because I just don't know the physic of it in detail. His argument were all medieval kind. Purely parallax. Simple mind argument. Simple basic logic. Physic maybe the law of logic. But logic in physic does not mean what it seems.

With the reemergence of flat earth believer, I wonder what happen to our education system. We taught our children to hafal @ memorize rather than understand. That is why, we fail. The children are not educated but they are force to memorize.

Anyway looking at the many comment in the internet, it is safe to say flat earth believer is very small. Many make fun of them. Many joke about them. But for me they are dangerous because they carry the word of God as their main proof while in fact they do not understand it.